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MC and native codecs? - mediacenternoob - 11-02-2009 08:02 PM
Hello sir,
Up until this release of Windows, I didn't bother much with codecs or packs because of disasters I had with other packs destabilizing my system. For quite some time i have been using VLC. So forgive the ignorance.
Being leery as mentioned, I wanted to ask a few questions before I installed these packs.(I have Ultimate7 64 bit).
I decided to try and make wmc/wmp12 work because they have alot more native codec playback now. Media Center looks great!!!
So my question is, what formats does it not play that your packs will provide playback for? I have seen on forums problems with mkv, flv, mt2s, etc. If it is just those few, isn't there an alternative to using an entire codec pack?
Again, sorry for the ignorance. Any advice you can give woud be great. Like I said, I am leery of installing a full codec pack and don't have a spare machine for testing.
Thank you
RE: WIN7 MC NATIVE CODECS?? - Shark007 - 11-02-2009 08:09 PM
It is my opinion that you have no need for my codecs. Just continue to use VLC as you have in the past.
It will fill in for the few formats Windows 7 cannot handle natively.
With that said . . . you seem to have an adventurous side that begs to know what all the fuss is about.
The only advice I have for you is that IF you decide you want better support for playback in Media Center, the UNINSTALL button(s) are on the Help TAB of the settings interface. The x64 release MUST be uninstalled before the 32bit package. On an x64 system, install the 32bit package 1st, then the x64 Components addon.
And FYI... most things are still the same after installing my codecs because I do not disturb the native playback by default. Any and ALL changes YOU make using my settings interface are completely reverted to the systems default settings upon uninstall. This is the reason for forcing users to use my uninstall buttons instead of the usual methods though control panel. There is a Reset All feature that allows you to revert all of your changes back to the codec packages installation defaults. Reset All is your best friend while exploring the plethora of possibilities my releases enable the user to use.
On the MISC TAB are several more special features. Investigate them. have fun.
My packages have been scrutinized by 10's of thousands of users and have been built upon a reputation for NOT screwing up your system. Many nay-sayers of days gone by when k-crap left you looking for the format command have come out of the darkness and are using my releases because of the stability they are proven to offer.
Since you're completely novice, I'll make some settings suggestions. On the 32bit Help TAB, use the button to associate filetypes. Also in the 32bit Settings app, set DIVX on H264 TAB. In the x64 settings interface, set the x64 WMP as default and then set it back to 32bit. This will setup MC to play FLAC audio files. Also in the x64 settings app, choose FFDshow on the righthand side of the H264 TAB and also choose FFDshow for MP2/3 on the SWAP TAB. If you have M2TS files that play without audio, choose to disable WMF on the SWAP TAB. (disabling WMF will also disables ALL other settings on the SWAP TAB, so make its use temporary)
Other than the filetype associations of the 32bit Help TAB, each app controls settings for the specific platform of the player you wish to use. Media Center is x64, so for Media Center settings, use the x64 app. All other players are 32bit and the 32bit app will set things for those players.
Goodluck.. with what ever route you choose to take.
yours' is far from the 1st hand I held.
RE: WIN7 MC NATIVE CODECS?? - mediacenternoob - 11-03-2009 07:23 AM
Thanks for your reply. K-Crap was exactly who I was referring to that drove me away from media player in the first place. It's sounds like you have an understanding as to why I would be a little tentative about installing codec packs but form what i've read in forums, yours sound pretty safe.
I guess I'm just looking for some re-assurance. I had so many system problems with Vista and 7 is just running great. I'd love to be able to use all the features of Media Center but it's been so long since my system has run so clean and fast, I'm just a bit worried of messing something up. Meaning I would do something wrong with your software, not so much that the software would cause the problem.
Anyway, I hope I'm not being insulting but if you can indulge me in a couple more questions before I install?
First, your site says it doesn't matter what player you use, it will play everything. Are you referring to just Media Center and Media Player or do you literally mean I would be able to play any format in any player? Microsoft's Zune for example. It plays wmv/wma, mp4 and a few others but not avi like divx, xvid,etc. I haven't used the video feature much because formats are pretty limited but it would be great if I could. With AV cables, it could be like a portable video collection. And I hate converters. They are just to slow at this point and I have over 500 movies, most in AVI containers.
Second, the other rec I used to get all the time when I ran Vista was ffdshow-tryouts with splitters. Is yours similar to that? I installed it once but the configuration part kinda scared me off.
Third, I read somewhere that WMP12/WMC are not direct show players anymore and that they are moving to their "WMF" or windows media foundation. I know it's not new but are they solely using WMF instead of direct show filters now? And if so, how can you add more formats if their Media Foundation doesn't have a codec for them? Or am I misinformed on this and media foundation still relies on direct show filters?
Again, thanks for your time, sorry for the ignorance, and hopefully I will be using media center soon!
thank you.
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 11-03-2009 07:38 AM
There is no need to continually apologize for a lack of knowledge (ignorance) when you are here asking questions and gaining knowledge. As I am sure you are aware, the only stupid question, is the one not asked.
"First, your site says it doesn't matter what player you use, it will play everything."
This refers to DirectShow Players. The reason I make this statement is because other codecpacks rely on MPC to take up the slack where thier releases fail because MPC has builtin codecs that usually work. I don't distribute a player because I know my releases arent lacking support and i do not need to fall back on a player with builtin codecs to keep my users files playing. I have no exp. with Zune, but if it uses DirectShow, it will use my codecs.
As for FFDshow. It is the backbone of all of my releases but I take the interface away from the user and handle most things in the backgraound without the user even knowing. Example: A user chooses, through my settings interface, to disable AC3Filter. This single click not only disables that filter but also sets up FFDshow to take up the slack caused by disabling that filter.
The Windows Players in Windows 7, being Microsofts' players, are designed to use WMF 1st and fallback to DirectShow when no appropriate WMF filter is present. In most instances my SWAP TAB can take care of this by inserting a directshow filter such as FFDshow in place of the WMF codec. The only instance that I could not overcome was the playback of M2TS files. If you have one of these that plays with video only, the is a button on the SWAP TAB to disable WMF and allow directshow to play the file. Please consider this WMF disabling as a temporary measure because WMF is an integral piece of the OS.
BTW, I find your inquiries so important, i have linked to this particular thread from the main Windows 7 codecs page.
The link is about 2/3 the way down the page.
RE: MC and native codecs? - mediacenternoob - 11-03-2009 08:05 AM
Thanks for the quick reply!! Gonna give it a shot. Will let you know how it turns out.
And of all the movies I have, I have exactly one MT2S formatted movie!! So no big deal.
Thanks again!
RE: MC and native codecs? - McoreD - 11-03-2009 08:48 AM
(11-03-2009 07:38 AM)Shark007 Wrote: This refers to DirectShow Players. The reason I make this statement is because other codecpacks rely on MPC to take up the slack where thier releases fail because MPC has builtin codecs that usually work. I don't distribute a player because I know my releases arent lacking support and i do not need to fall back on a player with builtin codecs to keep my users files playing. I have no exp. with Zune, but if it uses DirectShow, it will use my codecs.
Hats off to this comment/belief/attitude. That is why your codec pack is unique Shark007. Much appreciated.
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 12-20-2009 06:51 AM
Quote:In the x64 settings interface, set the x64 WMP as default and then set it back to 32bit. This will setup MC to play FLAC audio files.
What if one has already changed the WMP 12 default to 64 bit (and wants it to stay that way) before installing your pack? Does one still do the above that you wrote?
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if you want to playback standalone flac files in x64 MC, set the x64 WMP as default through the settings application. It does not need to stay set (your choice) but, to innitially enable the feature, do it as instructed.
RE: MC and native codecs? - gadzooks64 - 12-30-2009 10:46 AM
I have an Acer Netbook with an Atom processor and Intel GMA500 video. It's like have a squirrel for a motor and a chalkboard for a video screen.
How should I configure your package to work best with this system?
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 12-30-2009 10:51 AM
(12-30-2009 10:46 AM)gadzooks64 Wrote: I have an Acer Netbook with an Atom processor and Intel GMA500 video. It's like have a squirrel for a motor and a chalkboard for a video screen.
How should I configure your package to work best with this system?
I can only guess . . .
On the H264 TAB, Try using the MPC-HC codec.
If that fails you, try Divx's codec on that TAB
RE: MC and native codecs? - gadzooks64 - 12-30-2009 11:33 AM
(12-30-2009 10:51 AM)Shark007 Wrote:(12-30-2009 10:46 AM)gadzooks64 Wrote: I have an Acer Netbook with an Atom processor and Intel GMA500 video. It's like have a squirrel for a motor and a chalkboard for a video screen.
How should I configure your package to work best with this system?
I can only guess . . .
On the H264 TAB, Try using the MPC-HC codec.
If that fails you, try Divx's codec on that TAB
That seems to be working well. I have to play .mkv files in MWP instead of VLC (my preferred player) but I'll use whatever works.
HD Flash seems to be playing much better as well - that one electron processor is just about pegged when I do but that's ok as long as it works.
Side note: I downloaded the installer file to my main laptop and then copied it to my netbook. When I used that file to install the program on the netbook I got an error saying a later version of the program was available. I ended up downloading the (same) installer again from the host site and re-installing (after uninstalling the previous installing using the built in uninstaller) and now everything runs fine. Any clue why there would be such a difference?
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 12-30-2009 11:39 AM
(12-30-2009 11:33 AM)gadzooks64 Wrote: Any clue why there would be such a difference?
I have been working feverously on updates lately because
CoreAVC 2.0 introduced several 'features' (bugs) that needed ironing out.
My usual group of testers are unavailable due to the holiday season
and it has been difficult getting these updates completed.
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-26-2010 05:39 PM
I have the problem with WMC Win7. No matter which codec pack I use with this or that video file my WMC crashes ("WMC program stopped working").
I migrated from WinXP with ffdshow where I never had problems with the same video files...
Any advice? :-)
Thanks!
Marcin
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-26-2010 05:40 PM
Do you have UAC turned off?
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-26-2010 05:59 PM
(04-26-2010 05:40 PM)Shark007 Wrote: Do you have UAC turned off?
I checked UAC and it was at Deafult but still with that I deinstalled and installed beck Shark. It worked better but the movie creshed WMC after I stopped watching it this time...:-(
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-26-2010 06:01 PM
With UAC enabled, at the bottom of the settings application, choose to use the suggested settings.
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-26-2010 06:33 PM
(04-26-2010 06:01 PM)Shark007 Wrote: With UAC enabled, at the bottom of the settings application, choose to use the suggested settings.
I did that and it is better. I start to think now that the problem happens if I try t use "Play" button on my MS remote rether then "OK" to play video; and if I use "back" button rather then "stop" followed by "green button" to stop watching the movie. Otherwise WMC crushes. Could it be so? ALso .mov seem to crush WMC.
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-26-2010 06:36 PM
When you installed Windows 7, did you upgrade from XP?
or did you format the harddrive and install 7 clean?
upgrade is not good. Windows 7 needs a clean install.
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-26-2010 06:37 PM
(04-26-2010 06:36 PM)Shark007 Wrote: When you installed Windows 7, did you upgrade from XP?
or did you format the harddrive and install 7 clean?
upgrade is not good. Windows 7 needs a clean install.
Clean install
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-26-2010 06:40 PM
did you install a video program callled SUPER?
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-26-2010 06:45 PM
(04-26-2010 06:40 PM)Shark007 Wrote: did you install a video program callled SUPER?
No. BTW my .mov file plays fine under QuickTime while it crushes WMC. (Pls note I am using localised Polish (Poland) version of Win7 with Polish Language. I don't know if it matters...
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-26-2010 06:50 PM
The language does not matter.
I have no explanation for your crashes.
I can only assume something else that you have installed is causing it.
do you have any other codecs installed besides my codecs?
Is your system x64?
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-26-2010 06:55 PM
(04-26-2010 06:50 PM)Shark007 Wrote: The language does not matter.
I have no explanation for your crashes.
I can only assume something else that you have installed is causing it.
do you have any other codecs installed besides my codecs?
Is your system x64?
I deinstalled all codecs. I used to have ffdshow and the K-crap but it was crushing with all of them. I have x32. And all those movies play fine under WMP...
Is there any way to clear/ reinstall WMC and could that help...?
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-26-2010 07:25 PM
(04-26-2010 06:55 PM)marcin108 Wrote: Is there any way to clear/ reinstall WMC and could that help...?
Control Panel | Programs and Features
left side: Turn Windows Features on or off
next window, de-select Media Features, press OK
reboot
re-select Media Features
RE: MC and native codecs? - lom - 04-27-2010 09:48 AM
Hi,
if nothing helps I would suspect the video driver or even some hardware problem. Did you try switching hardware acceleration in WMP12 (performance tab)?
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-27-2010 05:22 PM
(04-27-2010 09:48 AM)lom Wrote: Hi,
if nothing helps I would suspect the video driver or even some hardware problem. Did you try switching hardware acceleration in WMP12 (performance tab)?
I don't think it is video driver or HW problem as WMP plays ok all the files.
After a few experiments I found out that .rmvb (RealMedia Variable Bitrate) files cause the WMC to crush if added to video libraries. Again: they play ok in WMP. If only .rmvb is in the video library WMC crushes while browisng some other fvideo folders (not necessarily the ones that contain .rmvb). If those folders with .rmvb are not added to video library everything works fine (especially browsing wherever in move library).
Another thing is that .mov doesn't play in WMC nor WMP and only in QuickTime. I thought Shark codecs can handle .mov, or?
And another: one of the .avi files crush WMC if I attemt to play it there. Again it runs ok in WMP.
Any ideas?
Marcin
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-27-2010 05:39 PM
(04-27-2010 05:22 PM)marcin108 Wrote: Another thing is that .mov doesn't play in WMC nor WMP and only in QuickTime. I thought Shark codecs can handle .mov, or?
When you install Quicktime, Apple owns you and your computer.
For your other problems, I have no idea why your system is broken.
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-27-2010 05:58 PM
(04-27-2010 05:39 PM)Shark007 Wrote:(04-27-2010 05:22 PM)marcin108 Wrote: Another thing is that .mov doesn't play in WMC nor WMP and only in QuickTime. I thought Shark codecs can handle .mov, or?
When you install Quicktime, Apple owns you and your computer.
For your other problems, I have no idea why your system is broken.
I deinstalled QuickTime and the rest of Apple apps and re-set Shark default settings. Still many of the .mov do not play neither in WMP nor in WMC...?
And: do your codecs support .rmvb?
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-27-2010 05:59 PM
(04-27-2010 05:58 PM)marcin108 Wrote: And: do your codecs support .rmvb?
yes, in 32bit players only.
Do you have UAC turned off?
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-27-2010 06:02 PM
(04-27-2010 05:59 PM)Shark007 Wrote:(04-27-2010 05:58 PM)marcin108 Wrote: And: do your codecs support .rmvb?
yes, in 32bit players only.
Do you have UAC turned off?
I have Win 32bit and my UAC is set to default level...
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-27-2010 06:05 PM
(04-27-2010 06:02 PM)marcin108 Wrote: I have Win 32bit and my UAC is set to default level...
If I was you, I'd consider starting off from scratch with a fresh install of the Operating System and only using my codecs.
Your playback experience will increase by 100x
(dont install quicktime either)
RE: MC and native codecs? - marcin108 - 04-27-2010 06:14 PM
(04-27-2010 06:05 PM)Shark007 Wrote:(04-27-2010 06:02 PM)marcin108 Wrote: I have Win 32bit and my UAC is set to default level...
If I was you, I'd consider starting off from scratch with a fresh install of the Operating System and only using my codecs.
Your playback experience will increase by 100x
(dont install quicktime either)
What discourages me from doing that is that the first WMC crushes started when I just installed Win7 and first tried to play my 'old' videos from WinXP... I did not have neither codecs nor QuickTime by then...:-(
I will wait at least for the answer on this forum where another guy had seemingly the same problem: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistapictures/thread/f7bf8712-3c20-4251-b231-2c4e21148735
In the meantime do you have any hint how to make .mov work onder WMC with Shark? Any Shark settings to check?
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 04-28-2010 07:38 AM
(04-27-2010 06:14 PM)marcin108 Wrote: In the meantime do you have any hint how to make .mov work onder WMC with Shark? Any Shark settings to check?
Uninstall the official quicktime software and install QT Lite and they might work.
RE: MC and native codecs? - jstockdx - 05-15-2010 07:34 AM
Hi, Can someone please tell me how to get to the x64 setup page? I cannot figure out how to set MP 64 as default. Windows help does not help at all. Thanks.
Quote:In the x64 settings interface, set the x64 WMP as default and then set it back to 32bit. This will setup MC to play FLAC audio files.
What if one has already changed the WMP 12 default to 64 bit (and wants it to stay that way) before installing your pack? Does one still do the above that you wrote?
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RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 05-15-2010 07:37 AM
(05-15-2010 07:34 AM)jstockdx Wrote: Hi, Can someone please tell me how to get to the x64 setup page? I cannot figure out how to set MP 64 as default.
Setting WMP x64 as default = accepting reduced Picture Quality and overall poor playback.
If you have installed both the 32bit codecs and the x64 addon,
the x64 Settings Application will allow you to set the x64 version of WMP as default from the Config TAB.
RE: MC and native codecs? - jstockdx - 05-15-2010 08:04 AM
ok, thanks. I was thinking I had to set it beforeI loaded the odecs. I'll try it now.
(05-15-2010 07:37 AM)Shark007 Wrote:(05-15-2010 07:34 AM)jstockdx Wrote: Hi, Can someone please tell me how to get to the x64 setup page? I cannot figure out how to set MP 64 as default.
Setting WMP x64 as default = accepting reduced Picture Quality and overall poor playback.
If you have installed both the 32bit codecs and the x64 addon,
the x64 Settings Application will allow you to set the x64 version of WMP as default from the Config TAB.
RE: MC and native codecs? - chadd - 05-19-2010 03:34 PM
(05-15-2010 07:37 AM)Shark007 Wrote: Setting WMP x64 as default = accepting reduced Picture Quality and overall poor playback.
why would that be?
seems like it would be the opposite...
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 05-19-2010 03:38 PM
It is because there is not one single developer of the open source codecs (ffdshow and gabest) that is concerned about x64 playback. The 32bit codecs have alot of hand written assembly code which is not transferable to the x64 compilers.
In the end, the user decides, not me.
RE: MC and native codecs? - the$#!Za. - 05-21-2010 01:02 PM
Sir Shark007, hi and thanks for your codecs packages.
A few questions for you when you have time please??
I have noticed you really making sure people with x64 Windows install and uninstall the Codecs Package and the x64 Components in the right order.
Well what if for whatever stupid reason I installed or uninstalled in the wrong order, can you please be specific about the side effects this has so one could clean up after making this tragic mistake ??
Also, the UAC option (which many of us can't STAND and wouldn't even consider turning it on) should be Default you say when having the Codecs Package installed and using it.
Can you please be more specific as to what can go wrong when UAC is Disabled and installing/using your Codecs Package ??
All this time I thought using WMP 64-bit as my Default player was a good thing, now you have me thinking twice, but seeing how you mentioned that most codecs were written in 32-bit code and cannot just be recompiled to 64-bit (or something like that), I will just use WMP 32-bit as Default unless I know of formats that fully support 64-bit codecs which I will only then open with WMP 64-bit.
Sort of sucks, I have a 64-bit Internet Explorer which I find I can barely get sites to work on it properly therefore using 32-bit Internet Explorer just about all the time, and now I have a 64-bit WMP which now I find out is still ahead of the game by far and therefore will be using 32-bit WMP. They should just ban 32-bit and force everyone onto 64-bit in a hurried fashion.
Thanks for your time and work,
Ash.
RE: MC and native codecs? - Jetlag - 07-05-2010 12:38 AM
(04-26-2010 06:40 PM)Shark007 Wrote: did you install a video program callled SUPER?
I am curious why you asked if he installed SUPER. Is there a potential problem caused by SUPER? I've been using SUPER for some file conversions...
no noticeable problems so far.
DELL w/ Win7 Ultimate 64 bit
RE: MC and native codecs? - Shark007 - 07-05-2010 12:44 AM
(07-05-2010 12:38 AM)Jetlag Wrote: no noticeable problems so far.
good luck with that. (you're the 1st)